Today, Randy posted a comment under the thread of the last post. You can read his entire comment there. This was my response. I add it as a new post for instructive purposes. It is an abject lesson on destroying despotic neo-Calvinist in a single stroke of HUMAN reason:
“After all, reason, so-called, trumps revelation every time.”
Reading the sarcasm in there, I must say I had a guffawing laugh over that one. Oh yes…as if revelation cannot POSSIBLY be vetted by human reason. Reason and revelation are ultimately exclusive…and this is why you and your ilk terrify me. At the end of the day, you NEVER have to prove WHY your ideas are better. They are just better because you say they are. Because, by some mystic divine enlightenment, you somehow, hypocritically beyond your own self-confessed sin-nature, get to define truth for the rest of humanity without ever having to defend it.
I appeal to reason because reason is the only way man can ever know TRUTH. If revelation falls outside of reason, then revelation has nothing to do with man. In which case, it is impossible for you to accede it or not.
But here is where you entire argument with me comes crashing to the floor in the face of my “mind numbing” arrogance…which, arrogance is irrelevant. My idea crushes yours because you cannot even RESPOND to it without conceding that I am right.
You ready to lose? Here you go:
The wickedly ironic thing is that REASON is the ONLY way you yourself can claim to believe anything. Why do you believe revelation, even if it isn’t reasonable (logically reconcilable)? Because you REASONABLY assume that God has truth and you don’t. But your acceptance of that fact is wholly rooted in this: it makes SENSE to you to believe that. Meaning, you still use YOU OWN version of reason to decide whether this thing (be it “revelation” or whatever thing you accept or reject) is true or not. You can never appeal to some greater “understanding”; reason is the very way you vet ALL you believe. If you appeal to some kind of “divine enlightenment”, it is still axiomatic that you must DECIDE to agree. And if it is YOU deciding, then YOU must have a plumb line for measuring it veracity. So you are not really arguing that “revelation” supersedes reason. No, you are saying that YOUR reason is better than mine. Nothing more. And you are demanding that I accept that YOUR reason is better than mine.
That won’t happen, Randy. Because your reason is rooted in insane ideas. What you accept as reasonable is the ANTITHESIS of human life. Your reason despises humanity and will go to destructive ends to compel it to your insanity. And I as a Christian will never yoke myself to such darkness.
But even worse for you, is that to answer my argument you must, again concede I AM RIGHT. Because by responding, you must FIRST concede that YOU get to decide on what basis…by what REASON you will agree or disagree.
And this is why you are a hypocrite and you will have much to answer to God for. You are a hypocrite who capriciously and viciously condemns others for doing that which YOU yourself do. And even in the face of my utterly logical argument you will reject the idea that human reason is the ONLY source of truth for ANYONE, Christian or not, which is precisely why all revelation must be REASONABLE revelation.
You will reject it because that is your heart…the heart of a Pharisee.