Frequent and highly intelligent, interesting, and refreshing commenter on TheWartburgWatch.com blog, Patrice, wrote a very kind reply to my last post here. Her comment was not in reference to the post, but instead was a soothing and encouraging word concerning an exceedingly unpleasant experience yours truly had over there yesterday when I (foolishly?) attempted to point out the metaphysical impossibility of the “doctrine” of the Trinity (see the thread under TWWs post “The Stockdale Paradox: We know the end of the story”). My response to Patrice is below:
Thank you for your support and your kind words. Your voice is a very refreshing one; one willing to challenge long-held assumptions, based upon your own personal experience.
You have experienced the “logical” conclusion of contradictory doctrines first hand. In this way, you and I are kindred spirits. Our mutually abusive fathers, as well as my time in SGM. These experiences are painful…but they are eye-opening. You can ignore contradiction; you can pretend that if we were all just “nice” Calvinists like Wade Burleson everything would be all Christian kumbaya and koinonia and all that. But you cannot ignore the pain; and you cannot ignore the pain as a rational indication that something is seriously wrong. You are not held captive by a rank fear that somehow deciding that a doctrine, whether in the bible or not, cannot be true if it contradicts God and man’s metaphysical nature according to all we know must be true for us and God to actually exist.
You may not think so, but this puts you light years ahead in your thinking from most people on the “survivor blogs”. Even Dee and Deb and Wade. For all of their raging and just vitriol at all the abuse which occurs in American Christianity, they still concede the very doctrines which drives the destruction. This is why Wade and Dee and Deb and Kris and Guy and a hundred other bloggers are simply not a credible threat to neo-Calvinism. They are not taken seriously, and their comments are summarily deleted from neo-Cal blogs. It has nothing to do with them being a “threat”, but everything to do with the fact that the neo-Calvinists do not want to cloud the purity of the doctrine with the implicit hypocrisy of those who “ride the fence”. Ultimately Mark Dever, and Driscoll, and Piper, and Mahaney and Mohler and the rest KNOW (if they know them at all) that Dee and Deb and Wade will, when it comes down to brass tacks, concede the VERY determinism which puts man at the mercy of the destructive, violent, abstract collective called the “local church”. They don’t need them coming around and confusing people when ultimately, there is no need. THAT’S why they delete the comments. Because the comments are irrelevant.
I know I’m venting…and I am. But you must understand that ultimately I don’t care about Wartburg Watch so much…I went there because a lot of people read there, and they REALLY need to hear someone challenging the doctrinal assumptions at the root, because the doctrine is the boot on their necks. Otherwise, I can tell you, nothing will ultimately change. Sooner or later, Dee and Deb and Wade will once again succumb to the weight of their own devotion to Primacy of Conscious (the idea that real TRUTH is found beyond man’s reason…which means, it really can’t be known) and the cycle will begin again.
As for me leaving TWW…
Well, I think that’s a foregone conclusion at this point. My goal is to challenge the Primacy of Consciousness paradigm at every turn (which is why I go after the “golden calf” of trinitarianism, and total depravity, and church discipline, and biblical inerrancy…because at the root these are really merely appeals to “well…truth is a mystery, who can understand God’s ways?”), because it is abusive and hates humanity.
Dee has made it clear that my opinions will no longer be tolerated, and so there is little point in me commenting anymore. Dee is utterly devoted to reformed orthodox interpretations of the faith, and because I have dared to call out Wade on his reformed beliefs; I pissed her off…so, she no longer hides her devotion anymore. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist for me to get the message. And what is the message? You know it well:
“Don’t you dare challenge the doctrine.”
I’ve heard it before. It is the hallmark of the very abusive churches TWW pretends to challenge. That’s why I said the more things change, the more they stay the same.
I appreciate your advice regarding tone. It is good advice, except the problem is not my tone. If you look at my posts, I haven’t in months made a personal attack. My posts ALL have only to do with denying the Primacy of Consciousness assumptions in reformed doctrine.
For a while, I “toned it down”. I chose to believe that it really did have to do with my presentation. I understood that my sarcasm or my bluntness was off-putting…and it was, and Dee and Deb were right to ask me to pull the reigns. But then I noticed that people like “Daisy” were able to assault me and my character with impunity without so much as a peep from Dee. And then yesterday when Dee took the mask of “love” off and did the same thing, clearly distorting my comments for the sake of insult, the truth hit me smack in the faith.
It isn’t that they want me to “be nicer” or “tone it down”. No, they want me to say that “I could be wrong”. Or that the people I disagree with “have a point, too”.
But I won’t do that because I’m not wrong. The rage against me has to do with the fact that I DON’T have to concede they have a point. Because they don’t. The idea that God is three AND one is impossible. It is not only literally impossible, it utterly denies God’s infinite absolute; an absolute which by definition cannot be numbered, regardless of what humans “see” or what “the bible says”. And the bible never says “trinity”, and it only says “three” when it says “and these three are one”. Which brings us squarely back to the disagreement in the first place…which isn’t really a disagreement. It is a logically and metaphysically IMPOSSIBLE doctrine. And I’m a liar if I say it isn’t. And I won’t do that.
Three are One is a METAPHYSICAL statement. It is not a LITERAL numerical interpretation of God. That is what “Daisy” is saying, and that is simply wrong.
At any rate, the point is that TWW is no longer a place where I can safely and without abuse promote a truly anti-Calvinist message. Dee and Deb are all about “getting along” which is why they have partnered up with a Calvinist Pastor. But getting along must always find a root cohesion of premises and beliefs. And I deny every doctrinal assumption that is reformed, pretty much, as mysticism and Platonism. And I’m not familiar with the “creeds” that Dee has decided are inerrant, but I’m pretty sure I deny them, too.
I have no interest in agreeing with ideas that I know are false. And I will not say they are not false when I know for a fact that this does nothing except further Calvinism’s worship of death and its abject hatred of humanity.
Anyway, thanks, Patrice. You are a marvelous and wonderful and GOOD person. God loves you very much, and know this…you and your human body are sacred and affirmed by God.